It's Official...

[KG_AGCent]

... PBEM is in.
http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=52;t=001231

I wounld NOT have considered buying the game without it. Now I will at least try the demo and give it a fair shot.

[KG_Jag]

Good and necessary news.

[KG_Panzerschreck]

Good news indeed.

[KG_CrimsonTrooper]

Why all the uproar about file size?

In the thread someone talked about the file size of 700Mb.... are they talking about a turn being that much.... the biggets file I have ever seen in a CM game is only about 3 megs. The game is not going Real time so why would the files be so big?

[KG_Jag]

New engine with higher level of detail--I'll let you computer guys explain any more.

[KG_Panzerschreck]

700Mb Files! Holy fried modem Batman. This game is way out of my bounds and limitations.


EDIT: After going there and reading the posts, nobody from BF said the files would be that big. It was just speculation and banter between the usual suck ups over there.

[KG_CrimsonTrooper]

700Mb Files! Holy fried modem Batman. This game is way out of my bounds and limitations.

I'll tell you what their Shreckie... MOST email servers will not allow files over 10MB's so unless they come up with a new file sharing program where you have to upload it to some type of server and then the recipient has to go download it.
I don't see how it will work unless this is there half-assed attempt to include PBEM to quiet the masses that cried foul when they said it wasn't going to be included.

Even with my cable modem, a 700MB download can take more than 10-15 mins depending on the time of day....

For you Shrek, probably 3 to 4 days with dial-up. :(

[KG_Cloghaun]

I see alot of different release dates that are close to one another (example: one month from now, 6 weeks away, etc.) being batted around in discussion at BF. -Are we to assume it will be released this year, 07'?

- oh and I'm very happy that it's going to be PBEM, obviously. I'd hate to have to try & rejoin the real-time world again.

[KG_Soldier]

Baa Humbug, I mean really, how much balance can this game have? Syrian Army and insurgents vs the U.S. Do the Americans get AC-130 gunships, cruise missles, J-dams, Paladins? Do the Syrian/insurgents win if they kill 5 Americans and take 300 losses? I'm sorry but this game seems to me to be based on a crazy premise: that the Syrian Army would last longer than the Iraqi Army. I'll wait for the WWII version. And the 700mb pbem files must be a mistake.

[KG_Kharkov]

The year is 2011: In a bold course of events, President Hillary Clinton concedes to United Nations demands that the U.S. only fight in fair wars. According to new U.N. guidelines, the U.S.'s foe must submit its starting war roster. The US then has 30 days to submit a comparable roster. The rosters are then submitted to a regional political alliance for further comment and then finalized by a U.N. committee with a country from each of the populated continents.

Thus, the Syrian vs. U.S. engagement begins, a fair fight for all until the Space Lobsters arrive . . . .

[KG_Cloghaun]

I agree with Mark, I'm just not interested in the subject matter. If they were going to step outside WW2 for the 1st release & do something more modern, I'd have much rather seen a Nato vs Warsaw Pact release circa 1980's. Something with a "relatively" even playing field. I assume for this release they'll make the conditions in such a way to try & even things out, it still seems like a stretch.

That said, I still might buy it simply because I'm very excited about the new engine & want to see how it plays. Plus, future modules for the 1st release might be more interesting.

[KG_Kharkov]

It's an absurd premise for the game. As if Syrian armor could ever mass in bulk without being absolutely destroyed by the U.S. air force. It might as well be a paintball CM game. I agree with Frank -- if you were going to do modern combat why not a Red Storm Rising type of game with Nato vs. Warsaw Pact. The Syrians would have a tough time beating the Lebanonese militia . . . .

[KG_Jag]

But then they could not sell it to US military for training purposes.

[KG_CrimsonTrooper]

But then they could not sell it to US military for training purposes.

Your kidding right?

They should have just made it for the Military and made another from the ground up for WWII. I have never been a big fan of conversions...

[KG_AGCent]

First off, 700mb files was never mentioned by BFC, a poster asked as a way of being absurd. BFC says the file size will be manageable and within the scope we are currently used to.

[KG_Jag]

Not kidding JJ--almost since the day that the initial subject matter of CMx2 was announced, many of us have had a strong suspicion that sale of the game (or a version of it) to the US military is what dictated the conflict covered. In response to direct question posed to it, Battlefront's statements/responses has only reinforced original suspicions.

Rob is correct with regard to PBEM file size.

[KG_SSpoom]

I have no problem with the "setting" of the game. Its not what I would have prefered (cold war Europe would have kicked ass)but I see it as a potentially challenging game from both sides.
It may not be as straight forward as a WWII game would be as in he who kicks the most ass wins, but trying to fight as the U.S. with the many limitations on rules of engagement and aversion to casualties that we currently have may balance the scenarios out more than we think.
I can see the "Syrians" massing armour in cities and suburbs where our aversion to taking civilian life would rule out or severely curtail the air power aspect.
If the U.S. forces are limited to certain rules : lets say that to fire on certain areas of the map permission to fire is needed from above, maybe all the way to the level of Sec Defence then the ability to just level large areas with our overwhelming fire power is negated. If not negated then maybe "delayed", permission to engage the troops in the Mosque might not be granted for 10 game turns. This would be quite realistic and could give the bad guys time to do some damage or withdrawl to other fighting positions. Add I.E.D.s and civilians to the mix and who knows what we might have. Im keeping an open mind and will almost undoubtedly buy this game (unless the demo blows)
If there is a "Blue on Blue" option we could even have a "Texas secession"
scenario =)
"Dateline 2009" W returns to Texas pissed that Hillary won the election and sees this as a sign if weakness, using this as a rallying cry he stirs up all the wildhairs of Texas into bringing back the "Republic of Texas". Hell we could even use the desert maps of Syria to represent the plains of Texas.
=)

[KG_Soldier]

I'd buy that game, the Texas Secession one.