Who will win the Big Game? [Archive]

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-06-2005, 12:06 PM

Texas' Brown, brother pick USC No. 1

Updated: 5:02 a.m. ET Dec. 6, 2005
Texas coach Mack Brown has been calling Southern California the No. 1 team all season and it wasnâ€™t just talk.

Brown voted USC first in the final USA Today coachesâ€™ poll â€” and so did his brother.

The ballots were made public Monday, a first for the coachesâ€™ poll, which is used by the Bowl Championship Series in its standings formula.

The BCS had urged the coaches to remove the secrecy in their poll after the 2004 season, when Texas made a late surge in the polls to earn a Rose Bowl bid over California.

The coaches decided to release only their final ballots, which were printed in Mondayâ€™s editions of USA Today.

â€œI think it proves what we thought it would all along, which is that the coaches who vote in the USA Today coachesâ€™ poll are thoughtful and committed to the balloting process,â€ Grant Teaff, executive director of the American Football Coaches Association, said Monday through spokesman Todd Bell.

The Harris Interactive poll, which was introduced this season to replace The Associated Press Top 25 in the BCS formula, also released its final ballots. The Harris panel is comprised of former college football players, coaches and administrators, plus some media members.

The AP media poll has always had transparency in its voting.

Brown had his Texas team No. 2, behind USC. The Trojans and Longhorns will play for the national title in the Rose Bowl on Jan. 4.

UAB coach Watson Brown also had the Trojans first and his younger brotherâ€™s team second.

USC coach Pete Carroll is not on the 62-member voting panel. Twenty coaches voted for their own teams, with none straying too far from the consensus.

Among the notables, Rutgers coach Greg Schiano gave the Scarlet Knights (7-4) their only vote, putting them 25th on his ballot.

Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis had his team fourth, two spots ahead of Oregon (10-1). The Fighting Irish (9-2) were ranked No. 6.

Oregon coach Mike Bellotti put the Ducks fourth and Notre Dame ninth. Oregon finished No. 5 in the final regular season poll, but Notre Dame earned a bid to the BCS and Oregon did not.

Texas received seven first-place votes to USCâ€™s 55.

Three of the seven coaches who voted for the Big 12 champions were from conference rivals â€” Coloradoâ€™s Gary Barnett, whose team has lost twice to the Longhorns this season by a combined scored of 112-20, Oklahoma Stateâ€™s Mike Gundy and Iowa Stateâ€™s Dan McCarney.

The others who had Texas on top were San Jose Stateâ€™s Dick Tomey, who was defensive coordinator at Texas last season, TCUâ€™s Gary Patterson and Florida State coach Bobby Bowden.

Penn State was No. 3 on all but two ballots. Texas A&M coach Dennis Franchione had Notre Dame third and the Nittany Lions fourth. Arkansas coach Houston Nutt had Auburn third, just ahead of Penn State.

Auburn was No. 7 in the poll. Tigers coach Tommy Tuberville had his team fourth.

Other votes that went against the norm were:

SMU coach Phil Bennett had Oregon 15th.
Ohio coach Frank Solich placed LSU fifth, 10 spots ahead of Georgia, which beat the Tigers 34-14 in the Southeastern Conference championship Saturday.
South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier had Notre Dame 14th, his own team 21st, and in-state rival Clemson 24th. The Tigers beat Spurrierâ€™s Gamecocks 13-9 to close out the regular season.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10339420/from/RS.5/

KG_Koz

12-06-2005, 12:10 PM

Both teams will fumble and intercept their way to oblivion (who really cares which one actually wins the game as long as it is ugly) and PSU is gonna sneak into the national championship. Go Lions!

Well.....i gotta pray for something!

KG_Soldier

12-06-2005, 01:07 PM

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-06-2005, 01:22 PM

Texas's defense has played the likes of who? thats my point, USC is a POWERHOUSE offensively... You won't be able to shut them down, lets be real Marky Mark, Texas has NEVER faced an offensive Juggernaut like USC. The division you play in is overrated and the proof will be in the pudding come Jan 4th. The big 12 is playing off its reputation of old... nothing special in the last 5 years.

If USC wasn't the best TEAM in college football why did the Texas coach not follow suit with all the other morons that put USC 2nd or 3rd, because he knows greatness when he see's it.

P.S. I already love the fact that the Longhorn defense launched the first salvo saying that they are going to DOMINATE USC.... I just hope they learned how to spell their names while going to Texas because after the Rose Bowl Wendy's and KFC frown on misspelled applications......

KG_Soldier

12-06-2005, 02:13 PM

Mack Brown is smart Andy. He doesn't want USC to have any extra motivation, and honestly, USC is the 2 time defending National Champs and deserve to be RANKED #1. It doesn't mean diddly squat. And that High powered Fresno State offense put up what 42 on USC? I would say it's a much more reasonable statement to say USC hasn't faced a offense that comes close to being in Texas' league. Vince Young throws a TD pass with 10 seconds left to make the final score Texas 49 USC 47. And you didn't even address your statement about Young as a running back more than a QB!

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-06-2005, 02:16 PM

Well... just to show how out of touch with reality Trojan Fever has gotten Noggs errr Andy: this season -- Vince Young 182-285 64% 2927 yds 26 TDs 10 Ints QB rating of 168.6 (top in the nation) 136 rushes for 850 yds 9 TDs -- Matt Leinart 254-391 65% 27 TDs 7 Ints rating 158.2 (7th in the nation) 12 rushes 45 yds 1 TD. So, you say Vince is more of a running back than a QB Andy? Without question, the team that scores the most points will win the game. By the way, Texas' Defense ranks #6 in the nation, while USC's is #40. USC's offense is #1 in the country, while Texas' is #3. May the best team win.

Like all Texans, you round up figures to make your point...

The Longhorns starting RB Vince Young stats:
RATING: 168.56 YDS: 2,769 TD: 26 INT:10 SACK: 13

CMP:182 ATT: 285 CMP%: 63.9

USC's starting QB Matt Leinart stats:

RATING: 158.29 YDS: 3,450 TD: 27 INT: 7 SACK: 14

CMP: 254 ATT: 391 CMP%: 65

Like I said before, if you want a REAL QB the choice is simple... Matt Leinart is your man.

When you need a running game there is only one......

THE stats for him are:

ATT: 187 YDS: 1,658 TD: 16

Fumbles: 0 REC: 31 YDS: 383 TD: 2

Him being : Reggie Bush

KG_Soldier

12-06-2005, 02:33 PM

Total offense leaders in the NCAA this year: #1 USC, #2 Texas, #3 Texas Tech. And yes, we did shut down Tech.

BRING IT ON!!!!!!!

KG_Soldier

12-06-2005, 02:37 PM

Young's rating is 168.6 not 158.6.

KG_Soldier

12-06-2005, 02:45 PM

USC's strength of schedule ranks 56th in the Nation, Texas' tied with 4 other teams for 36th. http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/8521762

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-06-2005, 03:48 PM

Total offense leaders in the NCAA this year: #1 USC, #2 Texas, #3 Texas Tech. And yes, we did shut down Tech.

BRING IT ON!!!!!!!

Why must you constantly bring up Texas Tech, they SUCK and they are ranked because they bent over for someone....

The Big 12 should be renamed The mediocre 12 because it befits the play of the teams in that conference.

When will you realize a simple fact, the big 12 is overrated and that USC IS the better team period. How can vince throw a touchdown when he's always thinking RUN first then by the pathetic play of the teams playing against them he then has time to pass. That won't be the case with USC, he'll actually have to be a pocket passer.

KG_Jag

12-06-2005, 04:09 PM

KG_Jag

12-06-2005, 04:12 PM

By the way--Rob is for the Vikings because he's hoping for an invite to a house boat party. But it won't be quite the same on the top of a frozen lake!

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-06-2005, 04:38 PM

OK--you think Texas Tech is weak,then let's talk USC at home against Fresno State. The "Raisins" , who had the lead in the 4th quarter, almost beat the Trojans. Fresno then lost their last two games to Nevada and Oh La La Tech, and with them a share of the WAC championship.

Texas will win because they have a much better defense and far superior special teams. Also the Horns are just a little bit hungrier for the National Championship than are the private school boys from the mellow state.

All Texas has is their big mouths.... come Jan4th they will finally play a real football team and USC will more than cover the spread, game over by halftime.

Lets not talk about superior anything... especially in such a weak conference, hell my old high school team could give Texas a run for their money.

Texas is all hype... they have a decent/average QB and what else? average WR's , and special teams....average at best. Defense....they'll be crying home to mama come Jan 4th when they finally have to play against the men of Troy.

KG_Soldier

12-06-2005, 04:44 PM

OK Andy, lets talk about which conference has the most National Championships. Big 12 or Pac 10? And while I admit it was a down year overall for the Big 12 (Texas and Tech being the exception), the Pac 10 was its usual band of bland patsies for the Trojans. That's not saying Texas will win, because they might not. I give USC credit as a fine team with a good chance of making history by winning 3 straight. While you, on the other hand, can only make derogatory comments about the Horns. Guess what? Texas does not suck. They deserve their #2 ranking and might end up #1. That's why they play the game. Like I said, "BRING IT ON!!!!!"

KG_Soldier

12-06-2005, 04:53 PM

If I remember correctly, there was a big to-do about whether or not Cal should have gone to the Rose Bowl instead of Texas last year. Texas won the Rose Bowl and Cal got slaughtered by Texas Tech in the Sun Bowl or some other minor bowl. It will be fun to see how 'Bama's vaunted defense does against the Red Raiders. I say Tech lights 'em up for 40.

KG_Jag

12-06-2005, 04:55 PM

History tells us that the "men of Troy" lost the big one in their home town. Just as the Achilles and the Greeks defeated Hector and the Trojans, so shall history be repeated in 2006 with USC falling to the Trojan Steer!

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-06-2005, 05:52 PM

It took a miracle collapse by Michigan and a Field Goal in the waning seconds to win 38-37 or something like that....

Rest assured that won't be the case Jan 4th.

Texas will finally have to play a complete team with weapons too numerous
to mention from:

a QB
a RB
an awesome corps of WR's
The best tight end in college football under the radar
and pretty damned good defense that always rises to the ocassion.

Here's to a 3 peat!

By Position:

QB - Even
RB - USC
TE - USC
WR - USC (possible tie with Texas)
Kicking Game - Even
Defense - Texas ( not by much )

Myopia - All Texas fans regarding their chances against USC

Tell me this, the past several years did USC have a chance or did the media ever give USC a chance.... the answer is NO and even with USC rightly being #1, Everyone is saying it's Texas who's going to win because of the vaunted QB Vince Young ( There was even a few articles in the sports pages that have even said that Young is the Heisman Winner.... It Just goes to show you that the west coast bias is alive and well when ANYBODY who has watched all season could even THINK about voting for Young........ How patheitc is that.... Reggie Bush ran circles around him and he'll run circles around the longhorns.

Whether you'll admit it or not this is USC's year period exclamtion point!

KG_Noggs

12-06-2005, 06:07 PM

Did not know this was a big game?

KG_Soldier

12-06-2005, 06:15 PM

Hold on there cowboy -- "Defense Texas (not by much)." What? Texas defense #6 in the country with a tougher schedule than USC's 40th ranked defense. That's more than "not by much."

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-06-2005, 06:55 PM

My "Not by Much" Stands.... Texas had the most overrated schedule in college... So yes it stands at "Not by much"

I believe I was being VERY fair... and don't give me this schedule crap either.... says who? some friggin moron from the East Coast? Ya, thats what I thought.

KG_Jag

12-06-2005, 07:09 PM

KG_SSpoom

12-06-2005, 07:35 PM

Ok Time to break out the "EASports NCAA 05" video game and
have it out =) Either that or
GO BROWNS!!!!

KG_SSpoom

12-06-2005, 07:40 PM

Do these teams actually play in the Rose Bowl?
I might have to watch it so I can tweak out the
losers fans =)....
......Carry on........
(It seems that Texas is winning poll 3 to 1)
W. said they could count any thing with the word
"Texas" in it as a "Texas" vote hence 6-2 (currently pending recount)

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-06-2005, 07:46 PM

Funny are things you fail to mention:

1. USC's last second win over ND due in large part to questionable ball placement after the USC fumble, and

2. Fresno State game--see above (also this is the game you--Andy--said he was not worried about in a conversation we had on TS on the night of the game).

3. Texas special teams--including but not imited to: blocked field goal and extra point attempts, and outstanding punt and kickoff return teams.

The Horns will do their talking on the field, in spite of the fact that this will be almost a home game for USC.

You can again bring up the same topic over and over again but yet you haven't answered the first question.... Who's going to stop our Offense..do you honestly think you have a snow flakes chance in hell ( Texas included ) ... Even the columnists are talking about the Juggernaut USC is, you might ( however VERY doubtful ) stop Bush ( your dreaming ) what about Lendale White? or the top Wide out Jarret? Plus our other WR's or Our TE Byrd? or our QB.... Your defense has done nothing to date.... the offenses you beat WEREN'T the complete package that USC is and will continue to be!

You can talk about your special teams all you want becuase God Knows that they will be spending more time on the field than your offense.

You bring up USC's close games yet you don't bring up yours...I wonder why....

Texas is not in USC's League... Texas's year is an anomoly where USC's been great for 3 years plus..... don't talk about levels of play with Texas, one decent/good year a great team doesn't doesn't make.

KG_Jag

12-06-2005, 07:50 PM

Andy check with your wife--I think it's time for your medication!

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-06-2005, 11:16 PM

How is Texas going to handle our Offense, you've never answered that... so far all thats been said is:

Our Special Teams
Our Defense is 6th rank

But lets look at the facts and only one important one:

1. USC's offense ( you've NEVER faced an offense rated #1 )

P.S. You played a watered down conference and then proceed to say that your going to beat a powerhouse?????????

Here's Texas:

1 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=1)Sat., Sep 3Louisiana-Lafayette (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=45)W 60-32 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=2)Sat., Sep 10@Ohio State (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=33)W 25-223 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=3)Sat., Sep 17Rice (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=81)W 51-105 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=5)Sat., Oct 1@Missouri (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=22)W 51-206 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=6)Sat., Oct 8Oklahoma (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=24)W 45-127 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=7)Sat., Oct 15Colorado (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=18)W 42-178 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=8)Sat., Oct 22Texas Tech (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=86)W 52-179 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=9)Sat., Oct 29@Oklahoma State (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=25)W 47-2810 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=10)Sat., Nov 5@Baylor (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=79)W 62-011 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=11)Sat., Nov 12Kansas (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=20)W 66-1413 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=13)Fri., Nov 25@Texas A&M (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=84)W 40-2914 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=14)Sat., Dec 3@Colorado (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=18)W 70-3

Here's USC:

1 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=1)Sat., Sep 3@Hawaii (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=91)W 63-173 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=3)Sat., Sep 17Arkansas (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=74)W 70-174 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=4)Sat., Sep 24@Oregon (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=60)W 45-135 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=5)Sat., Oct 1@Arizona State (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=58)W 38-286 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=6)Sat., Oct 8Arizona (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=57)W 42-217 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=7)Sat., Oct 15@Notre Dame (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=104)W 34-318 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=8)Sat., Oct 22@Washington (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=65)W 51-249 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=9)Sat., Oct 29Washington State (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=66)W 55-1310 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=10)Sat., Nov 5Stanford (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=63)W 51-2111 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=11)Sat., Nov 12@California (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=59)W 35-1012 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=12)Sat., Nov 19Fresno State (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=90)W 50-4214 (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/scores?categoryId=24&weekNum=14)Sat., Dec 3UCLA (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=64)W 66-19

Don't ever mention schedule again.....

KG_Jag

12-06-2005, 11:39 PM

I expect that neither team will "handle" the other's offense. But I expect that the Texas defense will slow down USC more than the porous USC defense will affect Texas, especially with all of our running backs healthy by game time. Our defense plus special teams will be the game winning difference.

P.S. Although college teams are never the same from year to year, I think that you underestimate the quality of the Texas program. Having attended Michigan as an undergraduate, I have had UT season tickets for years and watch all of their games. This may be the best Texas team since at least the late 1970s. They had one close game all year. That was the game they won at Ohio State. They brought their "C" game against their arch rival Aggies, who played their "A" game at home. Vince stunk and we still won by 11 points. If you saw the (second) Colorado game for the Big 12 Championship (a game that USC does not have to play in their little conference), you know the Horns are ready--on offense, defense and special teams!

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-07-2005, 12:38 AM

But I expect that the Texas defense will slow down USC

Lets face facts here, Texas's defense MIGHT only slow them down...USC just has too many weapons for Texas period.

Thats why USC will win by 14 plus.

KG_Soldier

12-07-2005, 01:12 AM

OK Andy, we haven't said how Texas' defense will stop USC's offense because they won't. The question is; which teams defense will stop the others' obviously strong (very strong) offense better? I hope Texas' obviously better defense will stop USC's offense enough so that our obviously very strong offense can score enough to win. Of course, all this depends on whether or not both teams play well and don't turn it over a bunch, that is. Like most games between good teams, he who turns it over least will win. Texas is pretty damn much a ball hawking in your face defense. They are much better against the pass than the rush, so expect to see Bush have a good game. Leinart will throw interceptions against this Texas pass defense unless he plays very well. Texas WILL SCORE MANY POINTS IN THIS GAME unless USC's defense plays much better than it has so far this season. Texas' "D" has been solid all year, except the one half against OSU (they held OSU scoreless in the second half). Can USC say the same about their "D"?

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-07-2005, 02:16 AM

Can USC say the same about their "D"?

I believe they are ALOT better than you think they are....

Our Two headed Monster at RB will be unstoppable... Lendale & Reggie Texas will have no answer for them. And then throw in our WR's AND TE....
No chance for the Longhorn Defense.

Your defense is as much suspect as USC's is If we go by your reasoning.

KG_Cooper

12-07-2005, 02:26 AM

Did y'all know Texas had a great football team until their crushing defeat in the RoseBowl in 2005.

KG_Jag

12-07-2005, 03:12 AM

Texas won the Rose Bowl in 2005. We plan to make it two in a row in 2006.

Coop you better go back to the CA Mr. Ed School of Counting!

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-07-2005, 11:10 AM

We plan to make it two in a row in 2006.

Planning ain't doing.... USC WILL win their unprecedented 3rd National Title in a row.

KG_Soldier

12-07-2005, 05:53 PM

Texas gave up 14.6 points per game. USC gave up 21.2 points per game.
Texas scored 50.9 points per game. USC scored 50.2 points per game.
Now, please tell me how going by my reasoning would result in a USC win.

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-15-2005, 04:09 PM

My prediction: USC by 20 Points

KG_AGCent

12-15-2005, 08:26 PM

My prediction: USC by 20 Points

If USC loses or wins under your margin, Andy, you can owe me a copy of Red October when it comes out.

Go Vikes!!

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-17-2005, 02:31 AM

Updated: Dec. 16, 2005, 11:45 PM ET
Texas cornerback part of assault, robbery probe

And just what type of players does Texas recuit........

AUSTIN, Texas -- Austin police say they are investigating two separate cases of assault and robbery in downtown Austin that involve members of the Texas athletic department.
The incidents occurred Sept. 4 and Dec. 10. No charges have been filed, and names of those being investigated have not been released.
According to police, the incidents were an alleged armed robbery with an automatic handgun on Sept. 4 and assault and attempted robbery on Dec. 10.
Texas acknowledged the investigation Friday night, and athletic director DeLoss Dodds released the following statement:
"We were surprised by the APD release of allegations concerning one or more of our student-athletes. We have followed up on the rumors that we are hearing and spoken with the two student-athletes who are alleged to be under investigation. Within the limited time we had this evening, we have gathered as much information as possible. Based upon what we know at this time we have no reason to believe that the University or the athletic department need to take any action. We will continue to monitor the matter, and we will cooperate fully with those who are conducting the investigation."
Although Austin police and the University of Texas have not identified the individuals under investigation, attorney Ken Oden confirmed to ESPN's Joe Schad on Friday night that cornerback Cedric Griffin is one of the people being investigated.
"I have agreed to advise Cedric Griffin although no criminal charges have been filed against him. He is the subject of an investigation -- and I stress it is an investigation," Oden told Schad. "I believe no charges will be filed against him. They're saying this is assault and robbery, and it sounds hideous, but this is a trash-talking incident on the street involving Cedric and that's it. I know this is a big game and they're focused on it. But in fairness to Cedric, this was nothing more than a verbal incident in as much as it involves Cedric."
The No. 2 Longhorns are scheduled to play top-ranked Southern California in the Rose Bowl on Jan. 4 for the Bowl Championship Series title.
Griffin has been invited to the Senior Bowl, according to the Dallas Morning News. Kevin Buchman, an Austin police spokesman, said his office issued its statement after receiving inquiries from the media. He said police would not release more information.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2263160

KG_Panzerschreck

12-19-2005, 01:48 AM

Who will win the big game you ask? I say hands down Penn State will Beat Florida State By about 10 points or so.

KG_Panzerschreck

12-19-2005, 02:01 AM

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-19-2005, 11:29 AM

May i respond in like minded fairness for all my friends who live in Texas in showing one of the many high quality products to come out of USC -

http://kg.frozenwebhost.com/Panzerschreck/oj-simpson.jpg

Yes he was tried BUT, was found INNOCENT on all charges.

If the Glove DOESN'T fit, you MUST acquit!

FREE OJ!

KG_Soldier

12-19-2005, 02:54 PM

He still paid out da ass in the civil suit.
And any involvement by Texas players in illegal activity is pure speculation at this point. Cedric Griffen MIGHT have known or been with the person in question (not a foorball player), but he has not and more than likely will not be charged with any crime.
Rumor has it that it's all a USC plot to hurt the highly touted and much feared Texas "D."

KG_Panzerschreck

12-19-2005, 05:42 PM

KG_SSpoom

12-19-2005, 06:36 PM

ROFLMAO!!!!! Nice one Kent!

KG_Soldier

12-19-2005, 06:50 PM

If you Lawyer can rhyme,
you can do any crime?

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-19-2005, 07:01 PM

Andy i put that up there as a joke, but even you cant honestly tell me that you think he is innocent, can you? Everyone and their brother knows that that glove was all leather and shrunk from exposure to blood and the chemicals placed on it to remove the DNA and other evidence. That was the D.A.'s biggest mistake in the whole trail. Im not a lawyer and even i know you never give the defendant and his lawyers control of the evidence. D'oh!

What exactly are you trying to say... that our justice system is flawed?
A jury of his peers found him innocent, isn't that the american way?

My opinion doesn't count because I did not sit through the whole trial listening to the evidence from both sides. It would be rather silly of me to make a judgement on something I didn't know much about other than what the media machine was feeding to the public. Do I know/think he was guilty ..... I can't honestly say I do.

KG_Jag

12-19-2005, 10:16 PM

Capone beat a lot of wraps too. But that hardly means that he did not do the crimes of which is is accused.

If OJ did not do the murders, I am the Easter bunny with a white Bronco!

KG_Panzerschreck

12-20-2005, 12:31 AM

Well, this is my last post on this subject before it degrades into the mouth of madness.

I never said your opinion doesnt count. I just find it hard to belive you think he is innocent. I find it hard to belive that anyone with a sound mind can belive he is innocent, and no, im not calling you insane. Thats all i am saying.

KG_AGCent

12-20-2005, 01:07 PM

If I would have had the choice between acquitting OJ and going home or convicting him and having to listen to the Cockroach for another 9 monthes in the penalty phase of the trial.... I don't think the choice would have been hard to make.

KG_Soldier

12-20-2005, 05:57 PM

I'll say it Kent. Andy, you are insane if you think O.J. didn't kill Nicole and Ron (or whatever his name was).

By the way, the anti-spermicide coating on the inside of "Trojan" helmets is not meant for ingestion. It can lead to severe cases of irrational thought concerning USC and its former players. Tell Reggie to quit wearing them inside out when you two "get together."

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-20-2005, 07:21 PM

Andy,you are insane if you think O.J. didn't kill Nicole and Ron (or whatever his name was).

Thats the kind of mentality that scares me the most... Are you telling me, that you KNOW beyond a shadow ( or even a glimpse) doubt that OJ did it?
You could HONESTLY say that he did it? The ONLY thing you know is that he had a lawyer that most people disliked/hated and whatever "Evidence" that was spoon fed through the media. You may not like OJ for whatever reason, but to say "He did it" is just tad naive or just plain wishful thinking on most people's parts.

I only pray that IF I ever am on trial that my jury would not go into deliberations with the mob mentality....

Personally, when the verdict was read I was a little floored to say the least but then again I wasn't privy to all the presentation of evidence from both parties. After all the hoopla was over, I thought to myself that something must not have added up ( or that some shadow of doubt came up) to those on the jury for them to have voiced their opinion ( verdict ) as such.
I won't second guess them either because everyones a GREAT Monday Morning Quarterback.

KG_AGCent

12-20-2005, 09:34 PM

"Not guilty.... Can I go home now?"

KG_Soldier

12-20-2005, 10:17 PM

Ron Goldman's blood was on O.J.'s socks and in his car. Enough said for me.

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-21-2005, 07:05 PM

Ron Goldman's blood was on O.J.'s socks and in his car. Enough said for me.

So, regardless of what other evidence was presented, you would have convicted him because of the blood on his sock? Was he wearing them at the time or was the sock found in his residence which contained the blood from Ron Goldman?

KG_SSpoom

12-21-2005, 07:23 PM

Sorry Andrew but I would have convicted both
O.J. and M.J.
but I agree that we should not judge people
by what the media says.

P.S.
Has O.J. found the Killer/killers yet =)
The Police should have just run the Bronco off the road
and shot him if he fled. He got special treatment from the start.

But he was one hell of a Running back, you cant take that
from him guilty or not.

KG_Soldier

12-21-2005, 07:28 PM

Yes. No one else had any kind of plausible motive, and O.J.'s actions subsequent to the murder (the chase) pretty much convince me. And please, expound on some evidence of O.J.'s innocence. Is there any other than an old unstrectched glove not fitting his hand? The theory of the police planting the blood just doesn't fly with me. Now, while I didn't follow the trial very close--other than that which was unavoidable (which was still a lot)--There wasn't any evidence I saw that could be deemed beneficial to O.J. except for the wrinkled glove.

And by the way -- HOOK'EM HORNS!

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-21-2005, 09:02 PM

And please, expound on some evidence of O.J.'s innocence. Is there any other than an old unstrectched glove not fitting his hand?

You hit the nail on the head my friend, I don't know any evidence of his innocence because I didn't listen to or go over the court transcripts of the trial. I give the jury credit for listening to ALL the evidence that was presented and then making their decision.

I couldn't even begin to fathom who else would have had a motive to kill both Nicole and Ron, I think ( in my opinion ) that someone went after Nicole and got Ron as a bonus ( a huge case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time) Could it have been OJ's oldest son from his first marriage? I have no clue....

Just because OJ "HAD" a motive doesn't mean it was him...

KG_Swampfox

12-21-2005, 10:03 PM

Just because OJ "HAD" a motive doesn't mean it was him...

And just because the LA police blew the case doesnt mean it wasn't him.....

KG_Soldier

12-21-2005, 11:16 PM

Great concept Andy, some might call it the head in the sand theory--brilliant!

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-21-2005, 11:48 PM

Great concept Andy, some might call it the head in the sand theory--brilliant!

I figured I would use the same theory your using with regard to the Rose Bowl....

KG_CrimsonTrooper

12-23-2005, 11:47 AM

Vince Young is quoted in today's L.A. Times as saying:

"The Longhorns have MORE depth to their attack than USC" and short time later in the interview:
"We have a DEEPER offense with MORE weapons"

Now I don't know what kind of crap he's smoking because I will bet you guys money that outside of Texas who can even name someone other than Vince on their team. I thought you Texas boys said that you didn't want to give USC anything to put up on the locker room to fume over......

Now my prediction is changing, I say USC by 24 points or more ( in this case it could be a lot more)

In two sentences, Vincie gave the entire USC team more motivation then they would have ever needed.

KG_CrimsonTrooper

01-04-2006, 11:36 AM

I am going on record that USC will win by 20 points ( I know I said in an earlier post by 24 but I am feeling a little sorry for the yahoos from Texas they interviewed last night on a local sports channel, they couldn't name more than 2 players on the whole team....... )

USC 47
Texas 20

KG_Soldier

01-04-2006, 03:26 PM

What? You say USC by 20, but then you put USC 47 Texas 20? Isn't that 27? I'd rather someone not be able to name players on a college team than not be able to add :).

I hope Texas plays well and wins. I think they have a good chance to do so.
Hook'em Horns -- whatever their names are :).

KG_Panzerschreck

01-04-2006, 04:04 PM

What? You say USC by 20, but then you put USC 47 Texas 20? Isn't that 27? I'd rather someone not be able to name players on a college team than not be able to add

ROFLMAO!:rofl:

KG_CrimsonTrooper

01-04-2006, 04:35 PM

What? You say USC by 20, but then you put USC 47 Texas 20? Isn't that 27? I'd rather someone not be able to name players on a college team than not be able to add :).

Soldier,

The score I posted was a prediction of the final score which would give some margin for error because I do in my heart believe the game won't even be that close and I gave myself a 7 point cushion.

KG_Kharkov

01-04-2006, 05:00 PM

Hey, Texas has Vince Young and, and, hmmm, didn't Phil Simms son used to play for them?

USC's entire skill position set on offense will end up in the pros. That said, I hope Texas kicks the stuffing out of them. Go Longhorns!

KG_CrimsonTrooper

01-04-2006, 06:39 PM

Go Longhorns!

How could you John.... How....

Big 12 or not.... make no mistake USC will win. USC just has too many weapons for a defense that goes man coverage way too much.

If you don't blitz some LB's your front four will do nothing to such a superior O-Line of USC, If you blitz them, that Leaves Bush, White, Byrd, Jarrett,Smith,Carlson in man coverage and they WILL burn them.

Longhorns are riding a razorblade, one wrong move and they are dead!

Not to mention USC's defense is #1 in the nation in Takeaways!

KG_SSpoom

01-04-2006, 07:07 PM

Ho Hum .....I wonder if there is anything good on t.v. tonight?
Anyone?

KG_Soldier

01-04-2006, 07:28 PM

Come on Andy! Are you the liberal media or something? Taking a statistic and spinning it? USC's defense did NOT lead the nation in takeaways, TCU did. USC led in turnover margin, not total takeaways.

KG_CrimsonTrooper

01-04-2006, 08:38 PM

Less than 20 mins till USC's 3rd Title dominance begins.....

Tick Tick Tick...... goes the life of all UT Fans

My Sports station was saying UT fans were buying the USC fans tickets anywhere from $1500 - 2500 per ticket.... Damn , people would pay that much to watch their team lose..... what a shame..

KG_Jag

01-04-2006, 11:13 PM

At halftime: TEXAS 16 USC 10.

Just play the damn game!

KG_Soldier

01-04-2006, 11:26 PM

Open mouth, insert foot!

KG_Swampfox

01-05-2006, 12:16 AM

@ SSpoom, maybe there is a hockey game on somewhere............

LOL

KG_CrimsonTrooper

01-05-2006, 01:26 AM

Good Game Texas...I honestly didn't think you could do it but I was proved wrong. Congrats to UT and their fans!

KG_Jag

01-05-2006, 01:27 AM

Final Score: Texas 41 USC 38!!!

Enough said--hey Crimson!

KG_Norad

01-05-2006, 02:07 AM

Wow CLOSE game! Very good! Caught the last 2 Quarters!

KG_AGCent

01-05-2006, 11:10 AM

Aside from the sideshow on the grass with white stripey lines on it, how was the REAL competition? Who had the cuter cheerleaders?

KG_Kharkov

01-05-2006, 01:55 PM

Aside from the sideshow on the grass with white stripey lines on it, how was the REAL competition? Who had the cuter cheerleaders?

Man, that's a tough call. I saw all those Texas gals in their cowgirl outfits with their chaps on and thought good gracious, I'd love to go to that school. Then, I'd see all those picture perfect California blondes in their traditional cheerleader outfits and think, good gracious, I'd kill to be Matt Leinhart for a week. I'm gonna have to go with co-national champions on that one!

KG_Kharkov

01-05-2006, 02:00 PM

Three words for Vince Young: "Human highlight reel"

What a game. Aside from Mr. Young's incredible performance, I was incredibly impressed by the team speed of Texas and even moreso by the great tackling skills of the Texas players especially the DBs. Now, you'll say USC scored almost 40 points, what tackling could possibly be going on, but I thought Texas did a sensational job of not giving up the easy big play and making great open field tackles. At so many schools, the one on one tackle is a lost art especially for smaller DBs but when you see a DB giving up 40 pounds to Thunder and taking him down one on one using all the tricks of the trade to do so, that's impressive. Great defenses keep their team in a game and make the other offense work for each score, and although they gave up 38 points, Texas did that especially by playing so tough in the first half. Reggie Bush only broke containment on the outside one time for a score, otherwise he was non-existent, and Texas' D came up huge on that 4th and 1 with everything on the line.

KG_ThorsHammer

01-05-2006, 02:03 PM

OJ was guilty; problem with our legal system is common sense goes out the window in court. Victims blood everywhere OJ is but no conviction. Once the race card was played with the lead detective being shown to be racist, it was all over.:hmpf:

KG_CrimsonTrooper

01-05-2006, 04:50 PM

KG_Kharkov

01-05-2006, 05:38 PM

and cheerleaders! i thought maybe i missed something earlier in thread like USC players are potential criminals!

KG_Soldier

01-05-2006, 06:10 PM

C'mon John! Just like everyone knows Texas was once a country, they also know Texas has the most beautiful women in the world. It's a known fact that USC recruits its cheerleaders from Sunset Blvd.

As far as the game goes, what can you say? Best National Championship game EVER. 4th and 5 from the 9 with 26 seconds on the clock. In the balance: USC wins an unprecedented 3rd straight National Title if they can stop Texas, the legend of Vince (invincible) Young, Mack Brown's chance for immortalitiy in the "Eye's of Texas" fans, and -- of course -- the Rose Bowl and National Championships! The result, Mack and Vince go home smiling!

The momentum of the game went back and forth 'til it looked like USC had it with 6:22 to go and a 12 point lead. But then the MAN stepped up (with the help of one hell of a gutsy performance by Texas' "D"). I agree with John 100%. Texas' DBs ability to make GREAT one on one tackles was incredible. With Thunder and White making powerful, punishing runs with great stiff arms, somehow Texas's DBs got 'em down. Texas' "D" could have folded many times under the pressure of USC's awesome offence, but they held tough and made the play when it counted. I'm impressed with their effort.

I hope Young comes back for another year. I think he will because he has said he would around here all year long. And really, I think it'll be good for 'em. He's a little immature to go pro now (and I want to win another one).

If Young comes back, mark September 9th on your calander. Ohio State at Texas, best matchup of the year.

KG_CrimsonTrooper

01-05-2006, 07:10 PM

C'mon John! Just like everyone knows Texas was once a country, they also know Texas has the most beautiful women in the world.
What kind of cheap crap are you smoking now.....

I don't care what anyone says... the USC cheerleaders are second to NONE!

UT Cheerleaders hope to grow-up and become USC cheerleaders...

KG_SSpoom

01-05-2006, 07:17 PM

I have to go with the Texas cheerleaders, you could
problably talk to them without hearing every sentence
start with "Like you know" or " Totally.
Blondes are mostly overated =)
Give me a brunette with a southern twang over
a Blonde valley girl every time.

P.S. Andrew
are you going to change youre DoD name to
"Texas#1 USC sucks" ? =)
P.S.S.
When I went to Texas A+M for Fire School
I cant recall seing even 1 unnattractive young lady.
Texas grows its women folk beautifully I.M.H.O

KG_Panzerschreck

01-05-2006, 11:05 PM

Thats an easy one Rob. Definately the Gals from Texas. Not only can you imagine those chaps being used for so many things than there intended purpose, the girls have to be much more friendlier than those stuck up snobby materialistic hoes from So-Cal.

KG_Cloghaun

01-05-2006, 11:27 PM

Vince Young is the shit. 4th down & 5 to go, drops back to the 8 yard line. Did that guy even have a pulse? He just made it seem so easy. He's ready for the pro's in my book. Send him to Detroit immediately!

KG_Swampfox

01-05-2006, 11:34 PM

agreed on Vince Young.......
Have you ever seen anybody play that calmly, and that intense....
man, can he play football........

great game

Bulldog

01-07-2006, 02:44 PM

regardless UT still one WOOOO go TEXAS!!!

KG_CrimsonTrooper

01-07-2006, 03:32 PM

regardless UT still one WOOOO go TEXAS!!!

Is Bulldog alive?

KG_Cloghaun

01-09-2006, 11:47 AM

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/5231320

KG_Kharkov

01-09-2006, 02:33 PM

You knew that was coming after his Rose Bowl performance. He's a leader so it will be interesting to see how that compensates for his unpolished (by pro standards) passing ability. It looks like Tennessee or New Orleans will land him.

KG_CrimsonTrooper

01-09-2006, 03:38 PM

Don't get me wrong, the kid is good, really good. He was a man among boys bt make no mistake, it's going to be a different game altogether when he has guys 6'4 or 6'6 weighing in at 265-325 running 4.7 to 4.9 running at you who do it for a living. It won't be like the little "Ting" brothers that had the effect of a fly on a moose....

My only knock is that he's an option QB and after a few years, the NFL will try and convert them to a pocket passer or a wide receiver if it doesn't work out to well.

The only Option QB I know of was Vick and with the abilities of the players these days you can't invest too much time & money in a guy who is going to take some tough shots from defenders. Vick's career won't last very long if he keeps taking the hits and chances he does with his body. You can only take so much abuse to the body before it brakes down....

I am not knocking him or his ability, He's the man plain and simple, he'll probably be picked up 3 or 4th in the draft because he's an Option QB.

KG_Kharkov

01-09-2006, 04:05 PM

He has the potential to be a huge NFL bust simply because his skills don't neatly fit into the NFL QB mold, a mold which is dictated in many ways by the higher skill level of the defenders (as Crim so aptly points out). The one thing you can't put a premium on though is being a leader and a winner.

The intangibles of being a leader at a winning program are just incredible. Look at Ben Roethlisberger. The guy didn't lose at Miami (Ohio) and doesn't expect to lose in the NFL. That quality just rubs off on your teammates. The Steelers on paper have had some glaring holes the past two years, and he's lead them to victory after victory.

Peyton's biggest knock in my book that he has yet to show the ability to win the big one. He couldn't do it in college and he hasn't done it yet, although statiscally he's on the verge of being the greatest of all time. I'd still take Terry Bradshaw and his mediocre stats any day of the week until Peyton gets the monkey off his back.

There, that should give enough ammo to start a good discussion!

KG_Cloghaun

01-09-2006, 04:35 PM

Peyton's biggest knock in my book that he has yet to show the ability to win the big one. He couldn't do it in college and he hasn't done it yet, although statiscally he's on the verge of being the greatest of all time. I'd still take Terry Bradshaw and his mediocre stats any day of the week until Peyton gets the monkey off his back.

Don't confuse "can't" win the big one & "hasn't yet" won the big one. Peyton's turn will come.

It's funny, statistically, Peyton is the best QB for the past few yrs yet doesn't get respect because he can't win the SB. Brady has won 3 in 4 yrs and hasn't gotten respect all season. The media had New England counted out all season this year.

Well, Peyton will have to wait another year, because my Michigan boy is still hungry. Let's make it 4, shall we?

KG_SSpoom

01-09-2006, 04:53 PM

I think Peyton is going to shake 1 monkey off this weekend =)

KG_Kharkov

01-09-2006, 05:31 PM

Ok, Brady or Peyton? Very tough question. I gotta go with Brady. 3 of 4 Super Bowls is proof positive of "winner." Anyone ever see the Kevin Mayne (ESPN) piece where he's interviewing Brady about how it feels to not lead his team to the Super Bowl for 1 of the 4 years -- it's a spoof that Brady doesn't realize for a few seconds -- it's downright hilarious.

It's definitely uphill for the Steelers. They will be given almost no chance to beat the Colts, so it's a great game for fans and players alike of the Steelers because there's absolutely nothing to lose.

KG_CrimsonTrooper

01-09-2006, 05:32 PM

Personally,

I think the Broncos knock off the Pats this weekend, The Pats running game better come alive or the Bronco defense will throw the kitchen sink at Brady.

Peyton will bring the Steelers down to earth and The Colts will beat denver like they always do especially playing on the race track called home field.

I believe this is the year of the Colts and the start of a new dynasty IF they can keep everybody from bolting via FA.

I firmly believe this is Manning's year.

KG_Soldier

01-09-2006, 08:08 PM

Wait a minute Andy. Texas averaged maybe 3 options a game (at best). The "option read" you hear about is whether to hand off to the running back or keep it and roll out looking to pass or run, not your traditional option QB. Personally, I think he'd make a great tailback, just think of the option pass! I hope he goes to Tennessee and understudys Mcnair for a season. He's better than Michael Vick ever dreamed of being. But hey, don't call him an "option" QB.

KG_Panzerschreck

01-09-2006, 10:12 PM

The media had New England counted out all season this year.

What media is that? Im sick to death of of everyone kissing the Patriots asses. I guess it depends on what part of the country you live in but here in east all you hear about is the mighty Patriots and how they win despite all their hardships. Quite franky im sick of hearing it. I cant wait for them to lose so i dont have to listen to it any more.

KG_Panzerschreck

01-09-2006, 10:19 PM

Its too bad Vince Young didnt stay in school for his senior year. Ive always hated seeing kids come out of school early.

KG_Cloghaun

01-09-2006, 10:41 PM

Are you kidding me? Up until about 2-3 weeks ago, ESPN, The Sporting News, Jim Rome, & the neighbor down the street all had New England out of the picture this year because of the reasons you state. Now the media has had to eat crow & have been changing their tune. Everyone & their mother refuses to count them out now.

Don't hate the Pats - it's all the media. Brady is a good ol boy!

lol @ Denver!

KG_Panzerschreck

01-09-2006, 11:51 PM

Well i guess its all in who you listen to. I would never listen to Jim Rome, what a loud mouth idiot he is. We all know they guys at ESPN love the Pats and Tampa Bay. I guess we hear what we want to hear. As far as the regional and local sports in the Pa. area that i live in is concerned, you'd of thought they'd of just won their 10th Super Bowl in a row. They get almost as much coverage as the Steelers do. Pretty impressive for a team thats hated by just about everyone in Pa. You would think that the team besides the Steelers in my area that would get the most coverage on would be the Eagles, it isnt, in fact you hear next to nothing about them. Go figure.

Tom Brady is a Great QB, there is no doubt about that. He went to a great college. But he got those rings because of the team around him and his skill, he didnt get there on his own. Case in Point, Peyton Manning. Peyton Blows Brady out of the water in individual achivements and he still doesnt have a Super Bowl ring. Id love to see him get it this year, even at the expense of the Steelers, who are my 2nd favorite team in the NFL. But i think the Pats wont make it out of Denver, in fact, i think if anyone in the AFC has the best shot at taking down the Colts, its Denver. Just my .02 cents.

KG_Cloghaun

01-10-2006, 12:04 AM

Well, no QB ever did win a SB without a great team with him. I could really care less about New England. I just like Brady because he went to Michigan. If he doesn't win it again this year, I'll be rooting for Colts & Bears, in that order.

KG_Soldier

01-10-2006, 06:05 AM

The "media" merely pointed out that N.E. had little chance of repeating due to all their injuries. I don't think anyone questions thier ability when healthy. They're still not healthy (Rodney Harrison is a HUGE part of their "D"). However, they are peaking, and I'm pulling for them to win it all again because I hate the Steelers and the Colts!

KG_CrimsonTrooper

01-10-2006, 12:33 PM

don't call him an "option" QB.

Marky Mark like always you can't see it because your too close....

Hmmmmm... let me see, he was the Longhorns leading rusher by a million miles over their true position Running Back(s) Dude, why can't you see that he IS an Option QB? That is why he's a top 5 or 6 draft pick ( because the NFL doesn't like Option QB's very well, his first years the Teams will try and change his mechanics AND his thinking about running down field). ESPN, Fox Sports, SI all consider him an "Option QB" whats wrong with calling a duck a duck? ( I didn't want to use the normal Spade cliche )

KG_Soldier

01-10-2006, 03:28 PM

Well... it wasn't 'til Mack Brown let him loose to play his game that he blossomed into the best QB in the country (Leinart included). The question is, will an NFL team see the possibility of Young shattering the mold of what an NFL QB "should be" and let him just play ball. Reigning in Michael Vick hasn't done him any good, and Young will be much harder to hurt that Vick. I think we are seeing the dawn of a new kind of NFL player. Young will become the Jordan of the NFL and re-define what a QB can do! As far as mechanics go, he led the nation this year in passing effeciency. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

KG_Soldier

01-10-2006, 05:20 PM

The legend of Vince (invincible) Young continues 'til stopped! Andy, you were critical of 'em before the game, so I don't expect to hear anything positive from you. Like Frank said, "bring him to Detroit" will have similar sayings in many cities. One thing's for sure, I'd take him over Bush or Leinart any day of the week.

KG_CrimsonTrooper

01-10-2006, 05:22 PM

Well... it wasn't 'til Mack Brown let him loose to play his game that he blossomed into the best QB in the country (Leinart included).

To say he is better I think is a little short-sided, he played a better game than Leinart but to say BEST in the country... Leinart has been playing a pro-style offense for 2+ years and that makes him MORE attractive to NFL clubs ( being a pocket passer that can scramble when need be ) than an Option QB point blank IMHO.

How many so-called "Great Players" from college have actually come in and lived up to the hype? ESPECIALLY QB's .... Hell, a few years back the kid QB from Nebraska who could kill you with the pass as well as the run and set all the NCAA recordsfor a QB never lasted longer than a season because they wanted him to be a wide out. His stats were damned impressive but where did it get him..... HELLO CFL

As far as mechanics go, he led the nation this year in passing effeciency. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

His side arm delivery in College worked for him, It WON'T work in the NFL and you can take that to the bank.... It's a different game when you play against men versus kids... much faster paced than college. He won't have the luxury of thinking about what he wants to do like he had while playing college ball (if he studders like he did in the Rose Bowl he'll get killed).

KG_Soldier

01-10-2006, 06:11 PM

Like I said, I don't expect any postive statements about Vince from the Leftist (coast) minded media or you. Vince will change the QB position like the great Lawrence Taylor changed the way we think of linebackers. Vince is the first of the real "new breed" of NFL QB. He's big and fast enough to throw it however he wants. Receivers are wide open because of the great conundrum he poses on defensive backs and linebackers -- come get me or don't. Either way, Vince wins.

Of course, he might go down when he plays Pittsburgh because of their late dives at QBs knees.

KG_CrimsonTrooper

01-10-2006, 06:29 PM

Vince is the first of the real "new breed" of NFL QB. He's big and fast enough to throw it however he wants.

Thats exactly what people said about Vick, lately he is spending more time on the sideline than on the field because in this league we call the NFL two things:

1. You throw side arm, you are just going to be making the CFL a lot sooner than you think....

2. There is no new breed, we've seen the likes of him before and he'll be another has been if he thinks he'll get runs like he got in college. He may run a bit but once a 275lbs Linebacker lays him out from the blind side or even head on Vincie will break like a china doll....

You just have to look at the facts... it has nothing to do with where you hear it from.... your myopia seems to be flaring up, you should have it checked out before it gets worse.